Photography Business Structure: Sole Proprietorship, LLC, and Corporation Compared

Choosing a business structure is one of the first real adult decisions you make as a working photographer, and it is also one of the most ignored. Most people start shooting for money, get paid in cash or through a payment app, and only think about the legal entity behind the work after something goes wrong. A guest trips over a light stand at a wedding. A client claims their hard drive crashed and they want their session refunded. A drone clips a building. A bride threatens a lawsuit because the family photos got skipped. The structure of your business decides whether problems like these touch your personal life or stay contained inside the company. This page walks you through the main options, what each one protects you from, and what to ask a real lawyer or accountant before you commit.

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Why Business Structure Matters for Photographers

Photography is a deceptively risky line of work. You walk into strangers’ homes carrying expensive gear, you stand on chairs to get a better angle at events, you run extension cords across floors people are dancing on, and increasingly you fly drones over crowds. You also create copyrighted material that other people pay to use, which means there is intellectual property changing hands every time you deliver a job. All of this happens under the umbrella of whatever legal entity, formal or informal, you operate as. That entity decides what happens when a client sues, when a vendor sues, when a guest at a shoot trips and breaks a wrist, and when you sell or wind down the business years from now.

If you have not picked a structure, you already have one. In the United States, a person who earns money taking pictures and has not formed any other entity is a sole proprietor by default. In other countries, the equivalent default exists under different names. The default structure is fine for some photographers and a serious problem for others, and the difference is mostly about how much you stand to lose if something goes wrong. The rest of this page is about understanding that exposure clearly enough to have an informed conversation with a professional. It is not a substitute for that conversation. The actual choice of entity should be made with a lawyer who knows your jurisdiction and your assets, not based on a webpage.

The Liability Picture for Working Photographers

Think through a normal week of shooting. A wedding photographer spends a Saturday in a venue with two hundred guests, pyrotechnics on the dance floor, alcohol flowing, and gear on stands at the edge of crowded aisles. A corporate headshot photographer sets up backdrops in office hallways where employees walk past on their way to meetings. A maternity photographer works with pregnant clients climbing in and out of poses. A lifestyle photographer shoots in clients’ homes where children wander into shots. A real estate photographer hauls equipment up and down stairs in homes that are not theirs. Every one of those situations contains the seed of an accident or a complaint that could escalate into a legal claim. The business structure decides who pays if it does.

The Intellectual Property Picture

Photographers also create assets every time they press the shutter. Each image is a copyrighted work, and the rights to use that work get licensed, transferred, or contested in writing. Copyright sits with the photographer by default in most jurisdictions, but the way you license that copyright is what generates revenue and disputes. If your business is a separate legal entity, the copyright can live there, the licenses can be issued by it, and the contracts can be signed by it. If you are a sole proprietor with no separate entity, all of that legal activity is happening directly in your personal name. That works until it doesn’t, and the moment it stops working is usually when there is real money or real conflict involved. A clean structure makes your contracts and licensing arrangements easier to enforce and easier to transfer.

The Branding and Credibility Picture

Structure also shapes how clients see you. A studio name printed on a contract, an invoice from a registered company, and a payment going to a business bank account all signal that you take your work seriously. Larger commercial clients, especially agencies and corporations, sometimes refuse to work with photographers who do not have a registered entity because their procurement systems cannot pay an individual cleanly. If you plan to chase commercial work, brand campaigns, or any kind of agency assignments, the question of structure has marketing consequences as well as legal ones. The same is true if you want to sell photography online through a platform that prefers business sellers, or if you intend to grow into a multi-photographer studio rather than stay solo.

Sole Proprietorship: The Default Starting Point

A sole proprietorship is the simplest structure available, and in the United States it is what you are by default the moment you accept money for taking pictures. There is no entity to form. There is no separation between you and the business. Your name is the business name, unless you register a “doing business as” alias, in which case the alias is just a label on top of you. You sign contracts as yourself. You pay yourself by spending the money in your account. You are the business and the business is you.

This is why most photographers start here. When you are still figuring out whether you can turn photography into a real business, the absence of paperwork is a feature. You do not have to pay a lawyer to set anything up. You do not have to file an annual report. You do not need to keep separate corporate minutes or maintain a registered agent. You just shoot, get paid, and keep records. For someone testing the waters with a few weekend portrait shoots or a handful of small senior sessions, that simplicity is the right level of effort.

What Sole Proprietorship Actually Exposes You To

The downside is also the lack of separation. If a client sues your business, they are suing you. If a vendor wins a judgment against the business, the judgment is against you. There is no corporate veil because there is no corporation. Your personal savings, your car, the equity in your house, your retirement accounts in some cases, and your future earnings are all theoretically reachable by a creditor or plaintiff who wins a case against the business. People underestimate this because most photography jobs end fine. The risk is not that every shoot ends in a lawsuit. The risk is that one shoot in your career might, and a sole proprietorship offers no firewall when it does.

Insurance softens this picture. Photography insurance, particularly general liability and professional liability policies, will respond to many of the situations a working photographer worries about. A guest who trips over a light stand at a wedding gets paid by the insurance company. A client who claims you missed key shots and is owed a refund triggers a professional liability response. Insurance is not optional even if you do form a separate entity, and for many sole proprietors it is the actual layer of protection that matters in practice. But insurance has limits, exclusions, and deductibles, and it does not cover everything. The combination of insurance and a separate legal entity is what most established working photographers eventually move toward. Insurance handles the predictable claims. The entity handles the catastrophic edge cases.

When Sole Proprietorship Stops Being Enough

There is no single trigger that says you must move past sole proprietorship, but there are clear signals. You start booking weddings or events with hundreds of guests. You add a drone to your kit. You hire a second shooter regularly, which introduces another person whose actions reflect on your business. You acquire personal assets worth protecting, like a home or significant savings. You start earning enough that the administrative cost of running a separate entity feels small relative to revenue. You take on commercial clients whose contracts include indemnification clauses that you would rather have signed by an entity than by you personally. Any of those signals is a reasonable moment to talk to a lawyer about whether to upgrade. Most photographers wait too long because the change feels like a hassle. The hassle is real but small. The risk of waiting is large but invisible until it isn’t.

Partnerships: When Two Photographers Work Together

If two photographers go into business together without forming any other entity, what they have created in many jurisdictions is a partnership, whether they intended to or not. A partnership is essentially the two-person version of a sole proprietorship. Both partners share liability, both partners are responsible for the actions of the other, and both partners own a slice of the business assets. The same lack of separation that defines sole proprietorship applies to partnerships, except now the actions of your partner can also reach your personal assets. If your partner is sued for something that happened on a job you were not even at, you may still be on the hook.

Photographers fall into informal partnerships all the time. Two friends decide to share a studio. A wedding shooter brings on a regular second shooter who starts taking on overflow work under the same brand. A husband and wife both shoot under one studio name. A portrait photographer teams up with a retoucher and they decide to split fees on certain jobs. Without paperwork, all of these arrangements may legally constitute partnerships, with all the shared liability that implies. This is a place where the structure question matters even if you never thought of yourselves as forming a business together.

Why Partnership Agreements Matter

If you are working closely with another photographer in any way that resembles a shared business, you need a written agreement, and you need it before there is any conflict. The agreement should cover who owns the equipment, who owns the copyright on images shot under the shared brand, how revenue is split, how expenses are shared, what happens when one person wants to leave, what happens if one person dies or becomes unable to work, and how disputes get resolved. Most partnerships do not blow up over money. They blow up over expectations that were never written down. A written partnership agreement is the cheapest insurance you will ever buy against the friend you are working with becoming the person you are suing.

For most pairs of photographers who decide they want to formalize, the better answer is to skip past general partnership entirely and form an LLC together. An LLC can be multi-member, which gives you the liability separation a partnership lacks while still letting you split ownership and revenue between the two of you in whatever way you agree. The legal complexity is similar, the protection is much greater, and the operating agreement that comes with an LLC plays the same role a partnership agreement would have played. Talk to a lawyer about which form fits your situation. The point is to have something on paper, signed, that you can pull out when there is a disagreement.

The LLC: Where Most Established Photographers Land

The Limited Liability Company is, for many working photographers, the structure that fits best after the early sole proprietor years. An LLC is a separate legal entity, formed by filing paperwork with the state, that has its own existence apart from its owners. It can sign contracts in its own name, own its own assets, and most importantly, be sued in its own name. When the LLC is properly maintained, a judgment against the LLC reaches only the LLC’s assets, not the personal assets of its owners. That separation is what “limited liability” means.

LLCs come in two flavors that matter for photographers. A single-member LLC has one owner. That owner is usually the photographer, and the LLC is functionally just a wrapper around the photographer’s solo practice. A multi-member LLC has two or more owners, which is what you would form with a partner. The internal structure of the LLC, including how decisions get made, how profits get distributed, and how owners can leave or be added, lives in a document called the operating agreement. Many states do not require you to have an operating agreement, but you should always have one anyway, especially if there is more than one member.

What Limited Liability Actually Protects You From

The protection an LLC offers is real but specific. If a client sues the LLC for breach of contract, fails to perform on a wedding, or has a complaint about how a job went, that lawsuit hits the LLC. If a guest at an event trips over your gear and sues, that lawsuit hits the LLC. If a vendor doesn’t get paid and wins a judgment, that judgment hits the LLC. In each of those cases, the assets at risk are the LLC’s bank account, the LLC’s gear, and the LLC’s other property. Your personal home, your personal savings, your personal car are not on the table. That is the firewall.

What Limited Liability Does Not Protect You From

Limited liability is not a force field. It does not protect you from your own personal misconduct. If you personally injure someone, if you commit fraud, if you sign a guarantee in your personal name, or if you do something illegal, the LLC will not shield you. It also does not protect you from claims that pierce the veil. Courts can and do disregard the LLC’s separate identity when the owner has treated the LLC as an extension of their personal finances. If you pay personal bills out of the LLC bank account, run personal expenses through the LLC, fail to keep records, or otherwise behave as if the LLC and you are the same thing, a court can decide that they are in fact the same thing and let a creditor reach through to your personal assets. This is called piercing the corporate veil, and avoiding it is the single most important administrative discipline an LLC owner has to maintain.

The practical version of veil protection is straightforward. Open a business bank account in the LLC’s name and run all business income and expenses through it. Sign all contracts in the LLC’s name, not your personal name. Pay yourself by transferring money from the LLC account to your personal account, and document those transfers as owner draws or salary. Do not run personal expenses through the LLC. Keep clean books. File whatever annual paperwork your state requires. None of this is hard, but all of it is required, and many photographers form LLCs and then immediately undermine the protection by behaving as if the LLC isn’t there. Talk to your accountant about the right way to handle owner compensation in your structure.

Why So Many Working Photographers Run as LLCs

The popularity of the LLC for established photographers comes down to a balance of protection and overhead. It offers meaningful liability separation without the corporate formalities of a full corporation. It is recognized everywhere in the United States. It plays well with commercial clients who expect to contract with a registered entity. It has tax implications that vary by jurisdiction; consult a CPA or tax professional in your country before choosing a structure. It also presents well in client-facing materials, since a studio name with “LLC” after it signals that the business is a real, registered, ongoing operation rather than a hobby. For most photographers earning real money from their work, the LLC is the structure their lawyer or accountant will recommend by default. Whether it is right for you specifically is a conversation, not a foregone conclusion.

S Corporations and C Corporations: Probably Not Yet

Beyond the LLC sit the corporate forms, the S corporation and the C corporation. These are full corporations, with shareholders, directors, officers, bylaws, and annual meetings. They offer the same liability separation an LLC does, but with much more administrative formality. They also have very different tax treatment, which is the main reason a photographer would consider them, but the tax implications vary by jurisdiction; consult a CPA or tax professional in your country before choosing a structure. The takeaway for photographers reading this page is that you will know when this conversation becomes relevant to you, and your accountant will be the one telling you. Until then, treat the corporate forms as a future option rather than a current one.

The administrative overhead of running a corporation is non-trivial. You have to keep corporate minutes, hold annual meetings even if you are the only shareholder, file additional paperwork, and respect the formalities that maintain the corporate shield. Many photographers who jump to a corporate form too early end up regretting the bookkeeping burden, especially since LLCs can elect to be taxed as corporations in many cases without giving up the LLC’s lighter administrative footprint. If you are running a small studio, the LLC almost always wins on overhead. The corporate forms become interesting when you grow into something that looks more like a business with employees, equity, and a longer-term plan than a single-photographer practice.

When the Corporate Conversation Is Worth Having

Signs that the corporate conversation might be worth having include hiring full-time employees rather than contractors, building a studio that you intend to sell or pass on rather than wind down when you stop shooting, taking on outside investment, or reaching a level of revenue where the structure of your compensation has serious tax implications. Each of those is a flag to bring up with a CPA, who will tell you whether your situation justifies the additional complexity. Do not pick a corporation because it sounds more impressive. Pick the structure your accountant and lawyer agree fits the specifics of your business. Most photographers never need to.

Non-US Analogues: The Same Concepts, Different Names

The terms sole proprietorship, LLC, S corp, and C corp are specific to the United States. The underlying concepts of personal liability, limited liability, and incorporation exist almost everywhere, but the names and the rules vary. In the United Kingdom, the closest analogue to the LLC is the private limited company, often written as “Ltd,” and you can also operate as a sole trader, which is the British version of a sole proprietor. In Canada, you can run as a sole proprietor, in a partnership, or as an incorporated company under federal or provincial rules. Australia uses sole trader, partnership, and Pty Ltd. Most European countries have their own versions of limited liability vehicles with their own acronyms. The principles transfer across borders even if the labels do not.

If you are reading this from outside the United States, the right move is to take the framework on this page, identify the analogues in your own country, and then talk to a local lawyer or accountant about which one fits. The underlying questions are the same everywhere. Are you personally on the hook if something goes wrong? Can the business own its own contracts and copyrights? Can you sell or transfer it? How much paperwork are you willing to maintain? What does the business look like to clients? Those questions do not change based on geography. The legal vehicle that answers them does. A local professional is the only person who can map your situation to the correct local form.

How to Actually Choose

The decision framework, stripped of tax considerations, comes down to five questions. How much liability exposure does your work actually carry? How quickly do you intend to grow? Are there other people involved as partners, investors, or future co-owners? How important is the intellectual property side of your business, including copyright licensing and stock photography revenue? And how much administrative bandwidth do you have to maintain a more complex entity? Your honest answers to those questions point toward a structure. The lawyer or accountant you talk to will refine that into a specific recommendation.

Liability Exposure

The first question to ask yourself is honest: what could go wrong on your typical job, and how badly? A photographer who shoots studio headshots in a controlled space with one client at a time has a much smaller exposure profile than a wedding photographer working at a venue with three hundred guests. A drone operator has more exposure than a portrait shooter with no aerial work. A photographer working in clients’ homes has more exposure than one working at neutral locations. Match your structure to the exposure. Higher exposure makes the case for a separate entity stronger, regardless of how much money you are currently making.

Growth Plans

If you intend to stay solo and shoot at roughly your current scale forever, the structure question is simpler. If you intend to add associate photographers, build a multi-shooter studio, hire employees, sell prints at scale, or grow into something with multiple revenue streams, the structure has to support that growth. An LLC handles most growth scenarios well. Bigger, faster growth eventually pushes toward a corporation. Talking to a lawyer before you grow rather than after is much cheaper than restructuring mid-flight.

Partners, Investors, and Co-Owners

If anyone other than you owns part of the business, you need an entity that can hold and divide ownership cleanly. Sole proprietorships cannot. Multi-member LLCs and corporations can. The moment you start splitting revenue or equity with another person, even informally, the structure needs to catch up to that arrangement. This is also true for couples who run a studio together, photographer and editor teams, and any arrangement where someone other than you has a claim on the business’s earnings or assets.

Intellectual Property and Licensing

If a meaningful share of your revenue comes from licensing images, selling prints, or any kind of ongoing rights-based income, the structure decides where that intellectual property lives. Holding copyright in an entity rather than in your personal name has practical consequences for licensing, transfer, and eventual sale of the business. Photographers who run real stock photography operations or who sell prints as a serious revenue line tend to benefit from formalizing earlier than photographers who only do session-based work.

Administrative Bandwidth

Be honest about how much paperwork you are willing to do. The protections of a separate entity are real, but they require ongoing maintenance. Annual filings, separate bank accounts, clean record keeping, and discipline about not mixing personal and business funds are not optional. If you know you will let those things slide, you may end up with the costs of an LLC and none of the protection, because a court will pierce the veil the moment a creditor asks. In that case, a sole proprietorship plus strong insurance might serve you better than an LLC you do not maintain. This is another conversation to have with your lawyer and accountant honestly.

The Paperwork Involved

Forming an entity is less work than people expect. Maintaining one is more work than people expect. The actual formation steps, in the United States, look roughly like this. You choose a name, check it for availability, and reserve it. You file articles of organization or articles of incorporation with the state. You pay a filing fee. You designate a registered agent, which is a person or service that can accept legal mail on behalf of the entity. You obtain an Employer Identification Number from the federal government, which acts as the tax identifier for the business. You open a business bank account in the entity’s name. You draft an operating agreement or bylaws. You make sure your local jurisdiction does not require additional registrations, like a city business license or a fictitious name filing. The whole process can be done in a few days to a few weeks depending on state processing times.

Many photographers use online formation services for this. Those services are fine for the mechanical filing, but they are not a substitute for legal advice on which structure to pick or how to draft an operating agreement that fits your specific situation. The cost of a one-time consultation with a small-business lawyer is small relative to the cost of getting the structure wrong. Use the formation service for the typing. Use the lawyer for the thinking.

The Business Bank Account Is Not Optional

Once you have an entity, the single most important administrative step is opening a business bank account in the entity’s name and running all business income and expenses through it. Every client payment goes there. Every gear purchase comes from there. Every invoice your invoicing system sends gets paid into that account. Personal money does not get spent from that account, and personal accounts do not get used for business purchases. This single discipline is what makes the liability separation real. Photographers who skip this step have an entity on paper and a sole proprietorship in practice.

Contracts Get Signed in the Entity’s Name

Update your contract templates so that the entity, not you personally, is the contracting party. Your photography contracts, your model release forms, your venue agreements, your vendor contracts, and your client onboarding paperwork should all name the LLC or corporation as the photographer of record. Your signature line should read “by [your name], member” or “by [your name], owner” rather than just your name on its own. This sounds like a small detail and is the difference between a contract that protects the entity and a contract that bypasses it. If you are upgrading from a sole proprietorship, walk through every standard document in your business and update the names. Bring your pricing documents, your invoices, and your client management templates into alignment with the new entity.

Common Mistakes

  • Forming an LLC and then running personal expenses through the business account, which gives a court grounds to disregard the entity entirely if you are ever sued. The protection only exists if you treat the entity as separate at all times, not just when it is convenient.
  • Operating as a sole proprietor for years past the point where the work has become high-exposure, because forming an entity feels like a hassle. The hassle is real, but the day you wish you had done it sooner is the day you cannot do it retroactively.
  • Picking a structure based on a forum post or a YouTube video rather than a conversation with a lawyer or accountant who knows your jurisdiction and your specific business. The internet is full of confident wrong answers about entity choice. Do not be the photographer who follows them.
  • Going straight to a corporation when an LLC would have served the same purpose with much less administrative overhead, often because the corporate form sounded more serious or impressive. Most working photographers do not need a corporation.
  • Forming an entity and then continuing to sign contracts in your personal name, which leaves you personally on the hook even though there is an LLC on paper. The entity only protects you if it is the contracting party in your agreements.
  • Ignoring the partnership question when working closely with another photographer, sharing a brand, or splitting revenue informally, on the assumption that nothing legal exists until something is written down. In many jurisdictions, an unwritten arrangement may still be a partnership, with the shared liability that implies.
  • Skipping the operating agreement for a single-member LLC because the state does not require one. The operating agreement is part of what proves to a court that the LLC is a real separate entity, and it costs almost nothing to have one drafted.

Try This

List Every Liability Exposure in Your Next 90 Days

Open your calendar and write down every shoot you have booked in the next ninety days. For each one, note the location, the number of people likely to be present, any special equipment you will be using, and any specific risks you can think of. A wedding at a venue with two hundred guests goes on the list. A studio session with one client goes on the list. A drone shoot over a property goes on the list. Read the list and ask yourself, honestly, how you would feel if any one of these jobs ended with a lawsuit reaching your personal savings. The answer to that question is information you can bring to a lawyer or accountant when you talk about structure. Most photographers have never made this list, and seeing it on paper changes the conversation.

Draft Your Lawyer Consultation Questions

Before you book a consultation, write down the questions you want to ask. Useful starting points include: given my current revenue, types of jobs, and personal assets, what structure would you recommend? What ongoing administrative requirements come with that structure in this state? What does the formation process look like and how long will it take? What language should be in my contracts to make sure the entity is the contracting party? What insurance should I have alongside the structure? When would you suggest revisiting this decision? A focused list of questions makes the consultation cheaper, faster, and more useful. Bring your liability exposure list from the previous exercise as supporting context. Pair this with a related conversation about your niche positioning and rate strategy, since the structure has to support the business you actually want to build.

Audit Your Current Setup for Veil-Piercing Risks

If you already operate as an LLC or corporation, sit down for an hour and audit how cleanly you are maintaining the separation. Pull the last three months of business bank account transactions and look for anything that smells personal. Pull your last three contracts and check whether they were signed in the entity’s name. Confirm that your invoices come from the entity and are paid into the entity’s account. Confirm that any consultation agreements, pricing proposals, and recurring vendor relationships are also in the entity’s name. Identify anything that is not, and fix it before you forget. This audit costs you an afternoon and keeps the protection of your structure intact.

FAQ

Do I need an LLC to start charging for photography?

No. You can charge for photography as a sole proprietor from day one, in the United States and in most other countries that have an analogue. Forming a separate entity is a step you take when the exposure of your work, the assets you have to protect, or the way clients want to contract with you make it worthwhile. Many photographers start as sole proprietors and upgrade later. The right time to upgrade is a conversation to have with a lawyer once you have a clear picture of your work and your assets.

Will an LLC protect me from being sued personally?

An LLC protects your personal assets from most claims against the business, as long as you maintain the entity properly and the claim is against the business rather than against you personally. It does not protect you from claims based on your own personal conduct, fraud, or guarantees you signed in your personal name. It also does not survive a court decision to pierce the veil if you have treated the LLC as an extension of your personal finances. The protection is real but conditional on you doing the administrative work to keep the entity separate.

Should I form an LLC in my home state or in a different state?

For almost every working photographer, the answer is your home state. The internet is full of advice about forming in Delaware, Wyoming, or Nevada because of perceived legal or tax advantages, but for a small photography business those advantages usually do not apply, and forming out of state can create extra paperwork and registration requirements where you actually live and work. Talk to a lawyer in your home state before assuming a different state is better. The default answer is local.

Can I change structures later?

Yes. You can move from sole proprietor to LLC, from LLC to corporation, and between forms in either direction. The change is usually not difficult, but it does involve paperwork, contract updates, and possible adjustments to bank accounts and licensing. The friction of changing later is rarely a reason to pick the wrong structure now. Pick what fits your current situation, and revisit the question when your situation changes meaningfully.

Do I still need insurance if I have an LLC?

Yes. The LLC and your insurance policies work together, not as substitutes. Insurance handles the ordinary, predictable claims that come up in a working photographer’s career, including damaged gear, injured guests, and disputes over deliverables. The LLC handles the catastrophic edge cases where insurance has limits, exclusions, or refuses to cover something. Both layers matter. Most lawyers will tell you that any photographer running a real business should have both general liability and professional liability coverage regardless of structure.

What about a DBA or fictitious business name?

A “doing business as” registration lets you operate under a name other than your legal name or your entity’s legal name. A sole proprietor with the legal name Jane Smith might register the DBA “Smith Studio.” It is not a separate entity and it does not provide any liability protection. It is a label, useful for branding and for opening a bank account in the studio name, but it does not change anything about how you are sued or who is responsible. If you want real protection, the DBA is not the answer. The entity is.

How do I handle copyright if I form an entity later?

Copyright on images you created before forming the entity belongs to you personally by default. After forming the entity, copyright on new work can be assigned to the entity through your business setup, often by employment or by a written assignment. If you want the entity to own and license your earlier work as well, that requires a written assignment from you to the entity. A lawyer can draft a short assignment document for this. It is an easy step but worth doing, particularly if a meaningful part of your business is licensing images through stock or print sales.

What happens to the business if I die or stop working?

This is a question most photographers never ask and should. A sole proprietorship effectively ends with the proprietor, although unfinished obligations and assets pass through your estate. An LLC or corporation can continue past you, can be transferred, and can be sold. If you intend to build something that outlives your active practice, the structure has to support that. If you have partners, the operating agreement should specify what happens to a member’s interest if they die or become incapacitated. These are uncomfortable questions and worth raising with both a business lawyer and an estate planning attorney.